Getting Systemic with Anita Lettink

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Talking pay equity and transparency, AI in HR, and negotiating your salary.

In this episode, Anita Lettink talks to Charlotte Otter about the EU Pay Transparency Directive and how its going to affect pay equity in the EU.

Anita busts some myths about the pay gap, especially the pervasive notion that women aren't as good at pay negotiation as men are.

She talks about what HR leaders need to know about AI (spoiler: it's the same for heads of communication) - and she advises job applicants on how to negotiate their next salary. Anita has some piquant opinions on the lack of real training for middle managers.

Anita is a keynote speaker, a LinkedIn top voice, and one of the top 100 HR Tech influencers for 2025.

This is chunky episode with some really great information from one of the top HR experts! Leadership needs to be addressed in a systemic way, as well as on a personal level.

This podcast is a companion piece to Charlotte Otter's book We Need New Leaders, published on 3 June by Practical Inspiration Publishing. Find it online or in all good bookshops.
Chapters
  • 00:03 Introduction to Speech Bubbles and Pay Equity
  • 03:06 Pay Transparency and Legislation in Europe
  • 04:07 Company Responses to Pay Transparency
  • 05:27 Implementation Timeline for the EU Directive
  • 06:04 Unique Dutch Law on Pay Equity
  • 07:48 Myths about the Pay Gap
  • 10:36 Advice for Graduates on Pay Negotiation
  • 13:08 Changes with the Pay Transparency Directive
  • 16:24 AI and HR: Key Considerations
  • 18:38 Challenges in Effective Leadership
  • 26:06 Anita's Leadership Style
  • 28:38 Thought Leadership and Practical Application
  • 33:09 Reputation Management as a Thought Leader
  • 36:03 Changing the Archetype of Leadership
  • 40:13 Tips for Emerging Leaders
4 Jun 2025 English Germany Management · Business

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